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the separation of church and state that should be. let me play what ralph reed said on "meet the press" regarding the court and his opposition to same-sex marriage. let's play it. >> i think the issue before the court and the issue before the american people, and they have after all voted in 31 state referenceum. only three have voted the other way. so this tests very differently at the ballot box than a poll. the issue before the country is, do we have a compelling interest in strengthening and supporting the durable enduring and uniquely complimentary and pro creative union of a man and a woman. >> divorce rates -- >> no. the answer -- that would be an argument for why we ought to strengthen it. >> the reason why is because it is better for children and all the social science shows that. >> so liz, you talk about the complexity but here you have a conservative bringing it down to procreation and family. you have folks saying go after divorce. and try to fight, for example, the right to have a divorce as other posed to someone who wants to be married. in many cases they have children that they'v
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